>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? But which'party' is Bill referring to? > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! <<<<<<<<<<<. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. Mandy was not the same woman. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). ", "They were nutcases. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. orpsychotherapists. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? That is a possible explanation. 0. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. >>What else could he call it? ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. Put on some headphones and listen. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. What a joke to call them "philosophers." [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Let him go! The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. This is still a mystery. Same voice. Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. Poor Clark. And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. Please either stop or> shape up. ", "Victor what can I say. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. > He didn't recognise her voice. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. Crumb Eye. Amazing. Is that how > you> would describe it? As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. 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